SHAMANTALK
Creativity as Living Spirit with Carrie Schmitt
When a sudden and severe illness confined her to bed, Carrie picked up a paintbrush and began to create. The act gave her comfort and a sense of purpose. She describes how she chose to build a temple to creativity within the limits of her condition. This daily choice continues to shape her life. Beauty, colour, song and small rituals turn her home into a sacred space.
Carrie’s new book is available for pre-order now: Awakening Creativity, A Sacred Journey to Reclaim Your Inner Artist Available on Amazon and other retailers.
In this conversation, we explore creativity as a living relationship. Carrie speaks of it as something you meet with devotion and trust. It responds when you treat it with respect. Skill grows through practice, yet the deeper aim is union with the creative spirit.
Our discussion connects this with the Three Cauldrons. The lower cauldron involves releasing the harsh voices that many of us carry from childhood. In the middle cauldron, you learn steadiness, so that your relationships with both people and your art hold more kindness. The upper cauldron opens to inspiration, the stream of divine illumination.
When you move your own self aside for a moment, that stream can flow through with ease. Words hold power. Carrie speaks of the harm caused when we use language of battle to describe the creative process. Phrases about blocks or resistance set you against yourself. She invites people to speak with care. In her workshops, she asks students to treat themselves and their art with non-violence in word and thought.
Transcript
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Hi everyone, episode 123 of Shaman Talk and I’m delighted to welcome Carrie
Schmidt who is the author of Awakening Creativity, a sacred journey to reclaim your inner artist. And what really
called to me about Carrie is that a lot of the work that she does parallels a lot of our work with the three
cauldrons, but comes at it from a different perspective that I really enjoyed. And I really enjoyed Carrie’s
story about how she got here. So, you know, we all love an origin story, and I think it’s really powerful because going
from bedridden with a rare allergy to becoming a successful artist with no formal
training is something that really we really enjoy in our community because what I’ve noticed is a lot of formal
training can kind of bash out the the natural inclinations that we have. So that’s I’m really interested to hear
more about that about your origin story and this idea of treating creativity as a living relationship. I’m like yes
that’s so juicy. It’s not it’s not what was it you say it’s not a skill to master. It’s a relationship to be in and
that’s very much how we like work work with spirituality. Mhm.
So before we dive in what I would like to say so I don’t forget everybody who
knows me knows my memory is not great. So, we really want to talk about your free class, right? So, have a listen to
this podcast, guys. And if you really resonate with K’s work, she’s offering a free class on September 25th, 2025. If
you listen to this podcast after the September 202 and just enjoy enjoy the conversation, if you catch it
beforehand, there’s a free class and anyone who pre-orders Car’s book will be
invited to access that class. and she’s going to go into some really cool things. I’m going to join in. It looks
great. So, have a listen to the podcast and then you can hear more about how you can sign up for the free class. Okay.
So, welcome Carrie. Thank you for having me. I’m excited to be here. Yeah. And we’re going to we’re
going to do this, right? We’re going to do the origin story because that’s what we all really we all really enjoy origin
story. It’s like the X-Men or something. So, yes. There’s a bit in your book where you say, um, now that your life is
over, you may as well paint. I mean, I’m like, wow. Do you want to fill us in
on some on some of the things that you that happened that drew you to this place? Yes, I do. Do you mind if we
start with a blessing? Is that okay? I am um very Irish and I feel like it’s
just in my bones that I I think in blessing. Okay. So may our time together
be blessed by the wisdom and guidance of our beloved ancestors and may what we
share spark creativity and joy in others hearts. All right. Thank you. So yes my
origin story. I you know I had this pretty average life. I worked at a hospital as a writer, had some kids, and
I was in my 30s. And one day, um, I developed a life-threatening allergy to
heat, all forms of heat, my own body heat. I was allergic to myself. I was
allergic to the air around me. And basically, I could barely move without
having a reaction that we had to call the paramedics. And I would go into anaphylactic shock. It was very scary. I
thought I was dying. I was basically allergic to life and I was bedridden suddenly and I was very active. I had
been very athletic and suddenly everything was taken away from me and it
felt like a death. I basically feel like I died but I was here to mourn my own
death and it was very isolating. I had a whole range of emotions, you know, anger,
sadness, kind of jealousy that I would look out my window and people would be walking and I would be almost angry, you
know, and um and I started to have these suicidal imaginings because I just
thought I cannot be a vegetable for 50 years. Like this cannot be my life. And so I was very depressed. And one day I
heard a voice say, “Now that your life is over, you might as well do what you want and paint.” And I didn’t even know
I wanted to paint, but I was so desperate. Thankfully, I listened and I started painting in bed like Freda Ko,
if you know that artist. And it just held me and comforted me and loved me.
And I started to get excited about waking up in the morning instead of dreading these long days of confinement.
And it just completely changed my life. But it really saved me. I feel like it
comforted me and held me in a way that no human could. And I felt this presence
in the room when I heard this voice. And it never left my side. And it never
judged me. It never criticized me. I didn’t know what I was doing when I was painting. It just loved me. And I felt
like it carried me across this threshold from this death of my old self to this
this new self. And I learned so much in that time. And it was so incredibly
painful. I think it was a dark night of the soul for sure. But everything that wasn’t important
sort of just fell away. You know, my career, accolades, titles, material
wealth, none of it mattered. And I felt the only thing left was like this eternal part of myself, my spirit, my
essence. And I could feel that that part of me was eternal. That was all I had left. And I was living from that place
because my body was kind of gone except I was able to paint. So it just took me
on this path where I got to know my soul and I I felt my whole life like
something was missing. there was something that I felt that like part of me wasn’t there and um it just awakened
that part of me and there’s so much beauty in this path of being led by
spirit and being in devotion to to that and that’s to me I call it my creative
spirit and it has taken me on the most beautiful not always easy often
difficult path but I really can’t imagine living any other way and so from
that I I vow vowed um to I get really emotional about it. I vowed to share the
truth of creativity’s love with everyone else because it has these healing powers
and it saved me and it never mistreated me and I vow I will never judge you. I
will never criticize you and I will like spread the truth of your love with others. And and so I get really I’m
sorry when we denigrate or deny our creativity or talk to it unkindly. It
just hurts me because I always think like creativity isn’t what we’ve been taught. It isn’t what we think it is,
you know? And so this is my life. I think that’s why that happened. And I think that’s my mission to spread the
truth of creativity’s love. So, I vowed to restore it to its rightful place in
our hearts and our lives. And that’s why I’m here now. It’s my my only hope in
life. Pet, that’s amazing. That’s really beautiful. The way that you’re talking about it reminds me of perhaps how I would talk about my guides. So, I work
with guides as spirit guides. And you said, Yeah. So, you were like talking about the creativity spirit. And
actually, I’d written down here the spirit of creativity. It’s like that’s its own. I would call it a guide. But
the way I see spirit guides is the sense that the loving universe or God or that
big thing that we all have a name for, but perhaps we all call it different things. To me, they manifest in a way that each
of us can understand. And it’s almost like for you, I’m hearing that creativity manifested
it itself for you in order for it to heal you and heal your soul, which is absolutely amazing. And that thing you
said about talking unkindly that would be so we work with the three cauldrons right so that’s that’s an Irish it’s an
old Irish tradition um because quite ancient so the lower cordon work that we talk about would be
one of the would be the way that we like internalize unkindness
often through our childhood even though our parents do their best there’s a flame that we love them but
sometimes our sometimes we just have these ideas that we internalize culturally from our families
and that way of like being able to like remove and give back with love all of those things that we have internalized
so that we can get to the point where we’re in love and we’re in devotion and um and for you it sounds like that level
of physical limitation created possibility for you which I think a lot
of people find very inspiring. And I work with a lot of people who have quite severe physical limitations and
I’m sure your story will be really inspiring. But how did you from the moment that you started to paint? What
was the path of healing? How long did it take? Like what was the progression of that for you? I think people might find
that inspiring. Yeah. Well, I just fell madly in love with the creative process. So, it was I
mean, I’ve had moments. It’s a constant I think you know anyone with a chronic
illness or condition I mean I feel like it’s a constant I don’t want to say
battle because I don’t like that like war language but um I have to actively
create beauty in my life to so that I don’t get pulled under by the the
sadness. So it’s like I’m constantly aware that I could just go into that
despair. And so I have to every day make beauty create joy, you know, to keep me
kind of afloat. So it’s an ongoing thing because I’m still allergic to the heat. And I’m actually allergic to sun now,
too, you know, which is almost worse, honestly. Um, so it’s an everyday thing,
but I always say like it that was my biggest burden and it’s also been my greatest blessing. And I think that’s
true for a lot of us, but I do think it’s a choice and it’s something I have to actively work at. I can’t just wait
around for joy to find me. I have to. So for me, I um I love to surround myself
with beautiful things. I buy myself colorful sundresses because I can’t go outside. Color is really important to
me. I was sitting in my home one day. I just moved here. I couldn’t go outside and I was watching people play. I have
there’s a beach I can see from my house and and I was feeling really sad and I was sitting in prayer and I and again I
have this I don’t think it’s my voice all the time but it said you can make this your home or you can make this your
prison or your temple. What are you going to do? And I was like I’m going to make this a temple to
creativity. That’s what I’m going to do. So, I’ve created this temple to live in
and house my beloved my beloved creative spirit. And so, it was a choice. It’s
like this can be your prison or it can be your temple. This is up to you now. You know, I can’t change my heat
allergy. I mean, hopefully it’ll disappear. It’s like I love this question like what can I make from this?
you know, always asking like I tell a story in my book about Matise and when
he could no longer cut or he could no longer paint, he started doing collage because he had such bad arthritis and um
you know he was he was getting old and so he didn’t just say I I’m not an artist. He’s still like what can I make
from this? And then that became some of his most popular work you know his collages and so I feel like that is
creativity that is the question we can ask. It’s not easy. I mean, I have days
where, you know, I I feel sad and I just I don’t know. I guess I try to look
around and say like, what beauty can I find? What beauty can I make here? So, that’s why creativity is like the
greatest gift to me, you know, because there’s always this opportunity to make beauty, you know, in little ways and
not just painting. I saw your that big strawberry. Oh, yeah. On your Instagram. Oh my god. I was
like, I love that. We’ve recently moved here and my house is like beige. Yeah.
So, I’m like, I definitely got some plans in in the winter months to brighten things up a little.
That’s the other thing, right, about be about you. You’re like a you’re a successful artist. You have like a a successful art career and that’s the
other really inspiring thing about what I’ve discovered about you is that you you have this chronic condition in the
traditional sense limits you in many ways. Mhm. But this idea of like you’ve created a temple and you are a successful artist
despite all of the things that you have to deal with. It just really interesting because it
gives me this sense of like what like who gets to be an artist? Like what is
an artist? What is artistry? Um do you have that is just kind of a thought I had. Do you have any sort of
idea about what I’m trying to get to? I think I always say I think this path
chose me. I didn’t choose it. I don’t even know if I would choose it, you know, because it’s it’s a challenging
path. But I think it’s funny, my editor, Hillary, just wrote a little newsletter
about me and she called me a singer. I do too. She called me a singer and I was like,
oh, she listed a, you know, few descriptors and I was like, a singer? Am I a singer? And then I was like, yes,
I’m a singer cuz I sing. I was I had this moment where like oh I’m not a singer because I’m not good at it or you
know or I don’t do it as a profession so like should that be on the list and then I was like wait I am a singer because I
sing and so I think you know you don’t have to have any quote unquote success to be an artist. I you know you don’t
have to do it as a profession. Uh there’s a million ways to be creative
just in your everyday life. You know, I I love making paper lotuses, origami,
and yeah, I paint like giant strawberries on our walls, and u some of my most joyful projects I don’t sell or
they don’t make they’re they’re not related to my job at all. You know, I painted a mandala on our on our deck.
And it’s like the joy of doing that for myself. And I felt connected to some
ancient way when people used to paint their paint decor on their houses
without feeling like this isn’t good enough, you know? And like at a time where be we created for beauty, we
created for ourselves. I just felt really connected to this lineage of let’s make beauty for ourselves. Not not
like, oh gosh, this isn’t good enough. What if my neighbor sees it, you know? Like I’m not an artist so I can’t pick
up a paintbrush but um So are you are you talking about this idea that we often connect artistry to
success? Yeah. And from our money. Yeah. I mean I didn’t think I didn’t
know I could call myself an artist. You know for quite a while I always thought artists were like different people than
us. Like they were special and they were born like that and the rest of us weren’t. And what a myth. I mean I think
most of our understanding of creativity is other people’s stories that we’ve
been told and the reason so I you know in my book we go on this creative pilgrimage and the reason is to create
your own stories with creativity to find the truth of what is it really when I just put set down all the stories I’ve
been told and I think all the myths about creativity are intentional and they are to distance us from the most
powerful part of ourselves you know and So I always say question any person, any
belief, any community uh that distances you from your creativity. Like I would
very much question any story or belief that separates you from the most
powerful part of yourself. The part of you that I think is our spirit. It’s the part of us that is it’s the unifying
thread. It’s the piece of the divine in each of us, our creative spirits. I don’t know what language you use. I’m so
curious because I am Irish and some of these things I think I want this feels
sort of ancestral like you know I think in blessing and I didn’t even know that Irish like I
don’t know a lot about my culture like oh they they have blessings all over the place and I was like my whole life I’ve
thought and like you know so anyway I’m curious to hear what you have to say about that but I do think the reason
creativity is powerful is because we get to experience that unifying divine
spirit in each of us it awakens that when we create that’s our spirit you
know so I don’t know I find it just a beautiful uh there’s something in um there’s
something in Irish philosophy called imbas forn which is divine that called
divine illumination so the poets and the bars and the druids would work through their three cauldrons lower middle and
upper to connect with that spirit and the ideas being that you move the human self out the way and you can channel the
divine essentially which I think is exactly what you’re talking about. But you’ve got something here written in
your book that really jumped out at me and I’m going to bore people. I just going to read a bit. I won’t bore people. I might bore but uh so this idea
of like the power of words. So it’s in the chapter the temple of reunion and that’s the other thing I want to talk
about is the nine temples because nine is a very sacred number in Celtic tradition. So three
is the most powerful number in Celtic tradition and three threes are nine. So it’s like a times on itself. So we’ll
get to that in a minute. But y power of words, right? So the power of words that you
talk about here. Now words in Irish tradition specifically because I’m Scottish actually, not Irish. I have
Irish ancestry, but specifically in Irish tradition, words are power. Words
created the um the tribal narrative. Words create can like remove kings from
power. Like the poets had the had the power. So the poets were the divine channelers of the words that they would
then give to the druids who would remember it and the druids would teach it. That was like sort of the vague idea. But you write here the words we use
today ourel sorry the words we use towards ourselves and our art matter
because they reflect attitudes that we embody. Writer Arm Maya Angelou was known to ask people to leave her home if
they gossiped or spoke ill of others. Words are things, she explained. They get on walls. They get in your
wallpaper. They get in your rugs and your upholstery and your clothes and finally into you. I love that. She knew
that unkind words were harmful to her spirit. So, she built strong boundaries around their presence in her home.
When we speak about art, we are sometimes taught to use the language of aggression rather than loving union,
which I think is what you were just talking about. Mhm. We use words like combat, blocks, struggle, and resistance. We talk about
creativity as if it were a battle to be won rather than the opportunity to experience love that is good for our
minds, our bodies, and our spirits. In the war of art, break through the blocks and win your inner creative battles. One
of the bestselling modern books on creativity, author Steven Presfield compares artists to warriors and
describes creativity as an adversary that must be conquered. The book proudly
identifies the enemy that every one of us must face and outlines a battle plan to conquer this un internal foe. But
creativity is not at war with us. Creativity is part of us. What we do to our creativity, we do to ourselves.
Once you truly understand the state of union, a warlike approach to art making becomes unfathom unfathomable. There two
things that jumped out for me about those that part of your book. One of them was that well three things really
the words thing that I talked about that we do a lot of work on with the cauldrons a warlike approach is
interesting from a Celtic perspective because in the Celtic wheel of the year the north of the wheel is battle that is
one of the words of the of the wheel of the year but what’s really important is that there needs to be a balance right
so that you know I think in our culture we spend a lot of time in battle and we spend a lot of time in this idea of the
masculine principles of life, structure, logic, schedule,
logos, basically the logos, the logic. And we’ve moved really far away from the feminine principle of
of our being, which is mystery, the area of emotions or aeros, divine chaos, you
know, it’s in the dark and the mystery and sometimes and the Celtic wheel originally was split into two halves. So
you have the masculine half of the year which runs from beline to Sin or Belina
Ga and then the feminine half of the year that would run in the dark from Sin
through to Belina. So it was like two halves of the year and the battle half was in the dark.
So it’s almost like what this really reminded me of this work that you talk
about is that battle was a key part of Celtic culture but it was only a small part. So we can’t go through life never
being in a battle. But we do get to choose how we battle. Yes.
And you chose your temple rather than your prison. Yeah. And I think that that’s a really
beautiful way to work with the idea of battle in a feminine way. So it’s not
like war fight. Yeah. It’s more like that’s you know it is it is a difficulty as a dark knight
of the soul. is a you are you know not you specifically but if you have these types of chronic conditions it is
in the dark. Mhm. You know however what we need to do is we need to bring in that like the
mystery and the feminine and the ability to surrender and the ability to make the choice well do you know what this is how
I’m going to interact with this part of myself. So that was that was really cool. Yeah. And this idea of like this
masculine way that people, you know, tame creativity and I’m going to force
it into like my I’m going to like It’s almost like saying, “Oh, I’m going to control God.” Exactly. Yeah. I always
say like, “Good luck.” If you’re going up to fight against creativity, this is
a force that guides all of creation. It’s ancient. It’s so wise and so
powerful. And if you think you know you are going to defeat this force, good
luck. I mean I think that’s when we had resistance in the creative process or blocks or struggle. It’s our approach.
You know creativity is not at war with us. It hasn’t declared war. But if we go into that approach then we are when we
resist we are met with resistance and it is a more powerful force. I will say after thousands of paintings, I have
never ever like slayed or defeated this creative force. Like whatever’s coming
through is gonna, you know, well, I always compare it to like I was swimming
one day and the woman next to me was just beating the water and pounding it
and fighting it and she was breathing heavy and I was like, “Wow.” You know, it’s like that with creativity. Like I
if you can if you fight it, it’ll fight you back and it’ll win, you know, but if
you understand the qualities of creativity, its personality, its nature, and you can work with work with it, then
it’s less exertion. You know, you’re in that flow. Cuz when I swim, I work with the qualities of the water. You know,
I’m gentle. I’m I’m flowing with it. I’m not beating it. And it’s the it’s whatever energy we bring to the creative
process, it will be mirrored back at us. You know, if you go if you want to smack
down with creativity, it will take you on a ride. Cuz I’ve done that. But um I
have a friend who’s a poet and he says, you know, you can’t force a poem to be what it doesn’t want to be. And I feel
that with painting, like the painting’s already been decided. It is never going to be anything other than what it is.
there is nothing I can do um to make it what it is not. And so that is very
freeing and that’s surrender and that is you know not taking this warlike
approach but like working with creativity. And one of the things I really talk about is I feel like we have
a giant misunderstanding of what creativity is. And if we truly take time to understand it, understand its nature,
understand the laws of creativity, understand its personality, which is wild and chaotic. It’s not on a
timeline. It’s not contained. It’s unpredictable. Then once we understand that then to
accept it for what it is and love it. You know everyone wants to be accepted
and it’s like yes uh this maybe this didn’t get done in your time frame or maybe you wanted to paint you know a
bowl of fruit and it’s a dragon. Uh but just you know like letting it go and just accepting this is creativity. And
also the cool thing for me is like my paintings always surprise me. I never know what I’m going to paint. It’s
intuitive painting and I don’t plan anything. They are always beyond my
imagination. Like in my wildest dreams, like thank goodness it’s not up to me because it would be so limited. And then
when I let go, the things that happen like I’m like this is incredible. I feel
like I’m surprised and I I say like I bow to creativity like thank you. Thank
you for showing me this. Thank you for giving me this, you know, and to be able to be co-creating with this force that
has a greater wisdom. And I mean, it’ll, you know, it’s the same in life. It’s like, thank goodness I am not in charge
of planning my life because it would have been so small. Like the things that have happened to me have been beyond my
wildest imagination. And thank goodness something else is, you know, there’s a
greater wisdom than mine. So that’s something I’ve learned from my paintings. And you know, it’s so cool
that we get to learn it in this kind of safe way to surrender and trust and have faith
and not I I feel a presence of this force every time I paint or all around
me all the time. What a such a beautiful way to live, you know? So, I don’t know. That’s that’s how I feel.
We were talking about Sorry. No, no, that’s fine. Yeah. We were talking about that the other day in
um our membership, the cauldron’s way, and we were talking about acceptance of
how things are. If you can’t accept how things are, nothing changes. Like if you spend your
life fighting against the reality of things, then you’re not that’s you’re
just going to stay in that place. So there’s I think that’s really beautiful. You’re talking about acceptance and and
also the idea there you’re talking about it sounds like the way I would talk about that is like learning how to
lovingly and gently move the human self out of the way. Yes. When we’re connecting to I would call it
spirit and the divine or creativity or that like thing that we draw down from somewhere else. The thing that you can
really feel it in many different ways depending on on what your your artistry or your creativity is. Mhm.
But yeah, interestingly, a lot of people lot of people have issues with that. And you talk about creativity scars and I
think that um a lot of people I work with have difficulty for many reasons
connecting with the divine and connecting with creativity and um how do you you work with people, right? So, h
how did the creativity scars show up and how do you help people work with them? Yeah. So almost everyone I meet has had,
you know, someone criticize their creativity in some way. Unfortunately, there’s so many stories and a lot of
them are very much the same. You know, some older person who they admire or
look up to maybe made fun of them or something even more awful. Um, and that
can shut people down for decades and that’s really unfortunate. What I I
think I try to do is go back to the basics and and realize that before we
start creating, we need to again understand what creativity actually is.
And then once we understand that, I feel like then we we don’t have as much
struggle or resistance, but also to rewrite the story. You’ve been told stories about creativity that I don’t
necessarily think are true at all. we’ve given that power to someone else as children of course we did that you know
but it’s a relearning and that is why I think it’s important to create your own story to have direct experience with
this force so that you know it intimately rather than what you’ve heard from other people but that acceptance is
really important I think so the process of you know creating it’s it’s learning
self-acceptance like I’ve had to accept that my art is where it is right now and
there is nothing I can And I do not believe in delaying joy and delaying um
you know gratification as we create. Like everything we’re doing right now is is good enough. There’s a lot out there
like you have to paint a thousand paintings, a thousand bad paintings before you get a good one or something.
And I’m like there none of them are bad. Like creativity isn’t good or bad. You
know, it’s just an expression and and our views on it have nothing to do with actually what it is. It only tells us
about us. So all of our opinions about what we create that is just a reflection of our beliefs. It has nothing to do
with that object, you know, and so it’s about rewriting those stories and being
kind to your creativity. And I, you know, I have this non-violence policy at my workshops because I was hearing women
just degrade themselves, abuse themselves, abuse their art, and it it’s contagious, you know? It’s like, oh, I
have to put down my art. Yeah. because people will be like this is terrible. Oh, it’s so embarrassing. Oh, it’s so
ugly. I can’t do it. And that to me is like giving people permission or people also have to think I have to put down my
art too. What’s that poem? Yeah. And it and so I was like, okay, hold on. Like this hurt. It like
physically hurts my chest to hear this. I’m not trying to say don’t have feelings about your art or we have to be
positive here. It’s not that. It’s like we can talk about this without abusing
ourselves or our art. Like let’s talk about how you’re feeling, but also you don’t have to. It’s like if you know you
saw someone punch someone in the face, it’s like you don’t have to do that, you know? Like we can still express
ourselves. And also we have an opportunity to say to really think about what we’re saying. Like for me, if I
can’t do a painting, if a painting takes me a long time, one thing I could be saying is like, I suck at painting. I’m
a terrible painter. I can’t do this. Or I can choose another story. Like this is
unfolding in its own time. I can’t control this timeline. And I also when I
that happens, I love those paintings. I talk to them. I always believe these are going to be my most favorite paintings,
you know, because they take the longest. Um there’s a whole there’s all different stories to tell. holiday. So, I think
it’s like a re-wiring, relearning. Um, there’s this great quote from I think
it’s Raymond. I I can’t remember who said it, but um the man who invented like 140 uses for peanuts, and he said
um anything will tell you its secrets if you love it enough. And because, you know, I have no training as an artist,
as a painter, I have depended on that on just I just love my paintings into
being. And I think everything responds to love. Everything wants to be loved. Everything is alive and has energy. I
that’s that is my method. It’s just like just love it. Just love it and keep
loving it and it’ll reveal its secrets. And it does. It does, you know. So I’ve tried this. I I this is tested. I’ve
been doing this 16 years. It’s never let me down. It sounds like really in the sacred
ritual realm. It sounds like you’re really in a sacred ritual with the art. That’s maybe the words I would you would
use for that. Like being deeply in a in sacred relationship and sacred ritual. I wonder if that connects with your
class actually because you’re doing I don’t know how to pronounce that but you’re doing something called the
ital what is it like Latin vi mikum. I don’t know how you say you tell me what
you’re doing. Somebody asked me that recently how to pronounce it. I was like I mean I’ve been saying v mikum and I don’t even
know. I need to look it up. Yes. And honestly the word anyway just before we go into it the word is like absolutely
what does it mean again? Tell me that it means to go with me. So pilgrims used to
carry these vikum I hope I’m saying that right journals go with me journals on their pilgrimages and they would keep
their prayers and their blessings and their holy encounters any mystical
revelations they would keep drawings poems and they would keep them in their journal as they
traveled. So we are creating that in the class. We’re going to decorate the outside of our body micum journals. And
these are to use as you work your way through my book and it’s just going to be a beautiful collection of experience
and touchston so you can you know return to it after the pilgrimage is over or have this testament of your journey. And
I think why I wanted to do a pilgrimage is because originally pilgrimages and
these are tried and trueue methods because they exist all over the world in every spiritual tradition and they all
have the same qualities to them. You know it’s a physical journey where you
are living guided by spirit and the original intention is to grow closer to
God or the divine. So, it’s a journey where you are the lens you’re seeing the
world through is through spirit and you’re letting that and I just like that’s how I want to live. There’s this
really beautiful quote by Roomie. He says there’s a place within us that is sweet beyond telling. And I’m like I
want to live from that place and I mean just the words make me want to cry. And then Meister Ehart calls it all of us
have a place of unbroken wholeness. No matter what has happened to us and we’ve all had stuff happen, there is a part of
us that remains untouched and that to me is the place I want to live from. It’s
where I want it’s my soul. It’s my spirit and it is my creativity. That’s to me that’s what that is. So a
pilgrimage is when we surrender and and let ourselves be guided by this this
part of us and you know we get caught up in our emotions and our feelings and all
of these things that are very temporary but to actually focus from living in from that place I don’t think a lot of
us do that even I think like a lot of our therapy and psychology is is
revolving around sort of more of that human experience but this is the part of us that the internal aspect of us that I
really felt that when I was going through that medical crisis like I felt it. I’m like, “Oh my gosh, this is all I
have left. This is the part of me that never dies.” And so a pilgrimage is
about I want to focus on that part of me and I want to see the world through the
eyes of that part of me. So pilgrims see every encounter with another person as a
holy encounter and that these these encounters something somebody everyone has a message for them and what a
beautiful way to see the world. So the the book is designed to be that it’s a pilgrimage. It’s an invitation to look
at creativity through a different lens and to become closer to this force that
to me we’re swimming in it. We can’t escape it if we tried. You know it’s in us but it’s also all around us.
It never leaves us. You know, people say like, “I hope the muse shows up today or I hope inspiration hits.” And it’s like,
“Oh, it’s always there.” It’s up to us, I think, to be open to it. You know,
that’s our work, but it’s not like it goes away. I I look at everything and it’s in everything. It’s what animates
all of us, every being. And then when you realize that’s in me and that’s in you, what I love lives inside of you. I
mean, how do we hurt each other then? You know, if the most precious thing in my my world, which is creativity, it’s
my beloved, you know, it lives in you. I just think, wow, what a what an amazing
way to live instead of being taught you’re not creative. Yeah. But there’s only a few of us.
Yeah. Anyway, that’s Yeah. So, we’ll be doing that. We’ll be making the journals and
then filling them up, you know, as we go through the book. And we’ll we’ll write our intentions in the class too on the
first page. And you know, I’ll guide people through how to sort of distill that. Maybe you have a few intentions.
It could be like making more time for your art or finding a creative community of kindreds that really support you
or and community is so important for us to work, isn’t it? We’re not meant to work in isolation.
No, not at all. Because I think we have little bits of the divine in us. And so
when we come together with others, we benefit from from their creative spark
and and then it just amplifies the be what that will be what kind of happens in in a class then, right? Is
that you come together in that sort of tribal artist community. I’m sure you feel that like when I do
retreats, it’s like I know we can we just get where we want to be faster when
we come together. It’s like everything is like amplified and it’s like something that would take me a long time
to do on my own or to realize on my own. It’s just like everything’s just like woo, you know? So yeah, we benefit from
each other’s wisdom and each other’s unique spark. So yeah, I I always see it
as like our two spirits get to merge and they become more powerful. So yeah, and
there there’s a term for that. I think it’s called collective effervescence. When people come together, the the sum
is greater than the parts. Like something new is created that more than just us coming together. There’s Yeah.
Anyway, yeah, I love that. Yeah, I want to Yeah, I want to so I don’t forget so I do really want to ask you
about this. So nine, I mentioned earlier nine is a sacred number in the tradition of follow. Three * three.
So what’s the significance of the nine temples in your book? Is that channel? Does that was there some idea behind
that? Yeah, it just I guess I would say it just felt right. We had other temples, but when it came to the
structure and the time and what felt like a good rhythm, I feel like Yeah,
nine just felt right to me. I don’t know. I love when things happen and you don’t know and then later you’re like,
“Oh, had no idea.” Yeah, that happened actually for me with
the the work that I do in the Three Cauldron. So before I knew anything about the three cauldrons, I had like this apprenticeship thing I would do.
And I wanted it to be in four parts for the four sacred directions. And do you think I could write this thing in four?
No. It just didn’t work. It was only ever three. It could only ever be three
three parts. And then it turns out that I had created the three cauldrons path before I even
knew that the three cauldrons existed. So that’s my magic kind of thing. one of my magic download
stories about just listening to what feels good in your body. Yeah.
I feel like our ancestors I feel so connected like
sometimes I tell people this I think this was my grandmother’s dream. I feel like I’m living her dream or almost like
she’s pulling the string sometimes, you know? and she loved pink and my house is
I painted the outside pink and roses kind of all over it and I felt like almost in a trance when I did it. I
thought I wonder if this is like her vision. I don’t know but I definitely feel connected to her and yeah, we have
this inner wisdom knowing I I read that our ancestors memories are in our DNA so
Yes. Yeah. It’s pretty neat. It’s cool. I love that. Yeah. the the idea of like
how we embody it. Well, one of the things I really enjoy is how science keeps catching up
with what Yeah. ancient traditions tell us over and over again. I’m like, “Oh, you believe it now, don’t they?
Science says yes, so it must be true.” But yeah, like you know this the epigenetics and all the things that
they’re discovering now. And I’m like at some point I’m hoping that culture and humanity is just like well if this feels
good and feels right for me and it’s something I can really connect with then perhaps that’s true for me and I don’t
need external validation or I don’t need a scientific paper to tell me that this is okay for me to believe. So
that’s definitely quite quite interesting. Yeah. And it’s like it’s a beautiful way to live, you know, like I choose to
believe in miracles because it’s a fun way to live, you know. Well, I mean, I I don’t think that something doesn’t exist
just because we can’t see it. We get and that’s part of creativity is like we get to create our reality,
you know, and tell the stories. I love I love writing stories about my life
about how miracles are all around me and it’s a choice, you know. So, yeah. And I
think a lot of people struggle with that idea about it being a choice. you know, grow till I was like really went through
my own spiritual awakening, people would say, “Well, you know, you have a choice about how you react to this situation.”
And I’d be like, “Oh, yeah, you don’t know anything about me. Like, you don’t know what I’m going through. Like, how dare you suggest that I I have
a choice about what I’m going through.” It’s like a little anger and rage. And then at some point, I thought, you
know, I think I would rather be excited about something that might happen than be disappointed about something that might
not. Like right would I why do I want to live in a a bucket of worry and negativity
because it makes I mean not only does it create more of itself like you were
talking about mirroring right it just that’s what you think about is what you see. Yeah. And I was probably the most negative
person you could be like that’s a running joke with my oldest friends that they’re like you know a complete 180.
But now I’m like I choose to see for well Mhm. 90% of the time. No disrespect,
but you know, I do my best to like choose to see the good in people and the good in situations and the lesson in
difficult things. And and for me, what that’s done is it’s freed up a lot of energy. Actually, it
takes a lot of energy, a lot of psychic energy, a lot of like physical energy to
be negative and to like not only to be negative, but to like complain about the way things are or want things to be
different without making any actual changes or, you know, doing some hard work in our work or it’s just a really
interesting way that our culture seems to be in some sense of there’s like an
individualism to our culture now. That’s that’s concerning and also an an
entitlement Yeah, you know, there’s an entitlement. I’m entitled to this whether I put an effort or not. And something happened.
I’ve just got I’m going to tell this story now with you, but I just got back from hosting or I was an offician at my
friend’s wedding in Maine last week. So, I was in America last week. Y and it was it was st it was such a good
we had such a good time. But something happened, a couple of things happened that really made me think about the
nature of our culture. Now my daughter’s four and we we were there a week early to applize the change the jet lag and
stuff and my husband was skateboarding at the local skate park where we were staying and I took them into the park and after
about 10 minutes this group of kids arrived. It was about 10 of them and they were all like cousins and stuff and
they embraced me in a way I have never seen. They were like the oldest who must be 10 came up to me and said you look so
beautiful. I love your hair. What’s your daughter’s name? And we introduced the daughter and they just took her on the
swing and wrapped her up and she wanted to play Rapunzel. And these kids didn’t know what Rapunzel was. So I explained
what well they were sorry I should say that they were I think they were from Uganda. I think they were visiting.
There were like some people who lived in America and some cousins who were visiting. So they were not culturally not from not American.
Um and they didn’t know what Rapunzel was. So I explained it to the older ones who explained it to everyone else in this group of 10 people played Rapunzel
with Moran with no questions asked like for ages and then they wanted to play
this other game, a chasing game and Marin got a bit scared. So they were all like, “No, she’s scared. We need to stop
this game. We need to like do something else.” So they did something else. And it just for an hour we were there, these
kids like really paying attention to not only to no not a parent in sight. The youngest was probably three.
The oldest was like maybe 10 or 11. articulate, kind, sweet, funny,
inclusive in a way I have never seen a group of children before. Wow. switched to another point in time
in the same week when she was playing with children from America and it would been the same here in Britain actually
and they were all they were like kind of excluding her a bit and like they weren’t really bringing her into their
fold or their group and they were just more concerned about who who was the person they were going to exclude and
occasionally it was Mar most of the time it was Mar because she was new occasionally it was this other girl that got excluded and I thought what an
absolutely bright shiny omen for me to take something from like how do in my
life do I create that feeling for that and that’s what we do in our in my work anyway but I don’t think I had seen it
and carry in such a stark way before so I feel like the it’s a real message and
I’m still like sitting with it and being in that idea and I feel like
there’s going to be some more teachings that come out of it but it’s that idea of like we why why do we
like spend a lot of time excluding people or being divisive and and the kids it was obviously much more stark,
right? Yeah. I feel like that happens everywhere in lots of different ways in our
culture. I don’t know if you’ve got anything you’d like to add or Well, I mean, yeah, that’s so
unfortunate because I think it’s to our own detriment, you know, because we have forgotten our oneness,
but also how we benefit from that. There’s this really beautiful quote like the scent uh the hand that gives a rose
a scent always remains. And so it’s like when we are kind we benefit. I feel like
we haven’t taught our children that. But I will say I went to a yoga class and there was a teacher from India and she
said okay before class we’re going to go up to each person and and look into their eyes and say I belong to you. And
my knee-jerk reaction like I my brain went I don’t belong to anyone. I was
like mad. I’m like and I’m like why did I think that you know and then I was like and so then I did it and I I mean I
got really emotional because it was so beautiful. My original reaction is like I don’t want to do this. I don’t belong
to anyone. And then I thought how sad for me that I felt like I didn’t belong
to anyone. And then I could it is one of the most beautiful practices. We did it at our wedding. I just got married this
summer. or we had our guests do it at the beginning and I yeah I was like how sad is that that that’s what I’ve been
taught and just to question those sort of moments that distance us from each other just like questioning when our
little voices about creativity come in our head like wait a second how sad for me that I didn’t think I was creative or
I don’t think I deserve to create you know but I will say uh when those stories I really like I feel like pain
hearing them for our children but also that’s why I think we have to embrace
our creativity and say like my friends and I were on this ferry going to this island nearby and we started singing. We
had some instruments with us and so we were singing on the ferry and everybody’s kind of like watching and then we’re like does anyone have
requests and this little little league baseball team of young boys was like can you sing take me out to the ball game?
So we all sang, everyone on the ferry who knew the song where everyone was singing, all ages, all walks of life and
then everybody clapped after and um the boys I looked at this one boy’s face, he was just beaming. He was standing like
on a balcony above me and then like whales jumped out of the water and people were like, “Oh my gosh.” like the
the music brought the whales and but it’s like we have the opportunity at any
moment to you know create something beautiful in community in little ways
it’s kind of up to us to I think to let people remember that but yeah I mean the only the only thing I can think is like
I really wish there was more music around and so one day I was like you know what no one else is doing it I’m
going to have to start doing it but yeah creating those moments to remind people like we are one and it’s it can be
really simple. It doesn’t have to be planned or you know we don’t have to be professional musicians but we’ve taken
away these these beautiful practices and you know to we’ve given them to a few
people like well I’m not a singer I can’t sing on a ferry but uh yeah I guess just
but creativity I think will bring us back it will remind us of our oneness I
don’t know how to change culture like any other way but that yeah well I think culture changes one person at a time
right yes yeah one message at a time, one ripple at a time. Yeah, definitely. That’s so true. That’s
also what I love about creativity is it creates ripples and spreads in ways we can’t imagine or predict. And that is
the magic. It’s so magical, you know? I I mean, we can read we can read a book
someone wrote a hundred years ago and they’ve passed and their words are still
changing us, you know, and like that is power. Creativity is power. So yeah, I
have hope. But yeah, as far as like it’s a choice. I know you mentioned like it can be a hard and and there are days
where I am not like I see miracles everywhere, you know, it’s like a
practice. I mean I can go dark like I can get down and it’s so easy to do
right now. But my center I always come back to center. My center is I run to my
creativity, my spirit when I’m feeling sad or angry or scared. It’s like I come
back to its refuge. It is my shelter and it lives in me and then it also I dwell
in it. It’s a, you know, so yeah, I I lose hope and I but I always find my way
back to my center, which is that belief in the miraculous and the choice to see
that through that lens of of spirit and hope. And I mean, it’s not easy, but it
is. Yeah. And I’ve had people say to me like that, you know, how you were saying about choosing, like, oh, you could just
have to choose to be whatever. People have told me like you could be healed or
cured if you really wanted to. Like if you wanted to not have this heat allergy, you could. And I’m like that’s
hurtful. So I I get sort of like you know what it can feel like when you’re in a dark place. That is battle chat. That’s battle chat,
isn’t it? That’s like oh this is your fault. Yeah. That hurt us. So I don’t want to do that to other
people and be like oh you’re sad. That’s a choice you know. Like I mean we are having our human experience and I I have
a range of emotions like my husband will tell you I am like woo you know like all
over the place but it’s also why I don’t hold on to them. They just it’s like
they flow and I just let it go. I am happy. I am sad. I am angry like but
they pass. I don’t hold on to them talk about them like for you know years or
whatever stories. Yeah. I’ve got this friend who talks about stale stories like let go of that
state and I guess like it sounds like your daily practices
which we have as well like that daily that you know for me it would be like
uh connecting to my guides in the morning outside lighting eyeballs feet in the ground you know listening to my
body even simple things like going to the bathroom when I need to go to the like just making sure every day I’m like
connected to simple things and I have like my wee rituals and things and when that falls by the wayside cuz things get
busy like nothing is centered and steady. So um yeah just like a daily practice even
a simple daily practice can be really good. What would you recommend people do like like two or three things that
people can do if they’re feeling if they want to connect with their creativity? Oh my goodness so many things about
mornings are really important to me. I am a big lover of the beauty and hope in
early mornings. I’m an early morning person. So I in the book we invite people to create a morning menu because
I know everybody loves the morning pages from the artist way. I mean maybe maybe not everybody but they are a lot of
people love them. I find that it’s not super helpful to me always to write
because I am writing the same thing every day. I I have morning pages from like 10 years ago and I have almost
verbatim written the same thing every single day and it is always my declaration of love and devotion to
creativity and to creative spirit. It’s my I always end up writing the same thing. I mean I think I have found my
devotion and my focus and it’s my obsession and so it’s not like super helpful. So for people that don’t want
to do morning pages or maybe just don’t want to write every day, we create this morning menu of practices and my
question every morning is what will awaken my creative spirit today or what
will bring my creative spirit joy and then based on I listen to that then I do
these practices. So we I created a menu. It is so cute. but it’s actually like a menu and of practices that nurture my
creative spirit because I think also a lot of times um when we have these morning practices it’s like I’m trying
to get better at something. I’m trying to you know and I don’t want to get better at anything. I want to I want to
have joy for my creative spirit. I want to awaken. That’s my only thing. So I don’t I don’t feel like I have to get better. I’m not trying to achieve. You
know I am I am playing. I start the day with play. And so my list is like I love
to go to the water. I love to sing to the water. I love to splash in the water. A lot of times it’ll be movement,
you know, dance. Um do a write a sixword love poem or love story. So the morning
menu is like, do I have time to go to the water today? No, I overslept. Well, I can write a six-word love story and
send it to a friend. So it it’s like more flexible than morning pages. And what do I need today? Yeah, I need I
need yoga. I my back hurts you know so I but I have a list so that I don’t have to think in the morning it’s like it’s
like order you go to a restaurant and you order it’s like today I would like to have quiet tea time and watch the
birds I’ll take that and that’s so yeah it’s not about achieving it’s about starting the day with joy and play that
to me is how creativity comes if you play creativity will find you you know
um so yeah I have a morning menu and that’s one of the activities in the book Yeah, I’ll share it sometime. It’s It’s
just delightful. We have weekend specials on our menu that things we only kind of have time to do on the weekend.
And one of them, I’m looking at it right now, that’s why I remember um is to take our grown adult children to a b their
favorite bakery. And that brings joy to my heart. My creative my well is full. I
don’t know if it’s a cauldron, but um yeah. So, just having fun, you Well, I feel like we get adults are so serious
and it’s like we’ve forgotten how to play. A lot of my students are like, I just want to have fun again. I want to
have joy and play. And that’s why you saw that 7 foot strawberry on our wall. I painted this giant strawberry so that
when people say, “Where’s your bathroom?” This is the only reason I painted it. So that when people say,
“Where is your bathroom?” I get to say, “Go through the strawberry.” And that’s that’s the whole reason we have a
strawberry on our wall. And my family came home one day and there was like a seven foot strawberry in the doorway and
then they have to walk through this red, you know, little hall. But just like we could have a lot more fun than we’re having and yeah, I think children can be
a great example. It’s so cool. You have a four-year-old like just follow her around. I used to do that when my kids were little. I would just follow them
and do anything they did. So like if they rolled, you know, I just watch them walk and that was like hilarious to me.
Just fun and play. It’s not as hard as we think. I really feel like we over complicate creativity. It’s like just be
goofy, you know? We have so much fun in our house. Like just being goofy cuz
we’re not I’m not trying to There’s no end game. There’s no result. Like I’m not trying to be good at a strawberry or
whatever we do. It’s like what is going to make us wildly joyful because we need
it. We need it in our lives and we actually have to create it. And I yeah, I do think it’s hard our I think the way
our society is set up, it’s it’s to kind of a little bit beat down our spirit and
we really have to protect it. Protect your creativity with all your heart. And I I read I heard a podcast with you that
you do you still live with your family like you know more than just your nuclear?
So my nuclear No. So but but we now live next door to my mom and sister and her
two kids. That’s amazing. Yeah. Yeah. We we do various iterations of being a tribal family.
Yeah, I think that’s important to like ease some of our burden, you know, and not don’t carry it all. Like I think
community is important and just lightness. I feel like we just need lightness and I try to start my day with
that. I love it. So I’m going to ask you I get we’ve covered so much ground actually. I could
go we could I know I want to hear more from you. I have to talk to you more. I have so many questions for you. So I’ll you can come
on my podcast. Oh my god, I love that. Let’s do it. Okay.
Okay. So, let’s do a last question. Let me think. What would the What would the world What do you think the world would
look like if everyone had a healthy relationship with their creativity?
I’m going to cry just thinking about it. It’s my dream. This is my dream. I pray
every morning at the water. Please, in my lifetime, well, I actually I make a vow. It’s a it’s kind of an intimidating
vow. I don’t know if I can do it, but I say I I vow in my lifetime to restore creativity to its rightful place in our
hearts and lives on a cultural level. I don’t, you know, like I want to see this
transformation and yeah, I always I always imagine what would the world look like if all of our creative spirits were
awakened. I mean, it would I can’t even imagine. I can’t I get you get to see
little glimpses of it. But yes, if everyone had a healthy relationship with their creativity, well, first of all, I
feel like we would remember our oneness, we would know that what I have in me is
also in you. And it’s really hard to hurt people when you see yourself in
them. And I think other cultures that I have caught glimpses of, they do
remember that. They do recognize that even in the greeting in their greetings are still sacred. You know there’s this
beautiful phrase satria and I think it’s a Punjabi phrase. It it means like God
is in you when you greet someone. If you the holy is in you, you are holy. If we
said that just remembering anyway, I think that would be number one. But also, it is the divine feminine to me.
It creativity is the divine feminine to me. And we know that that has been
obliterated almost from every culture and to our own demise. All of us are
suffering, right? And so I think to restore that balance, joy, beauty,
color, play, these have all been denigrated. They’ve all been like kind
of made fun of. Even I I’ve talked to women who are like, I distanced myself from the feminine, you know, I don’t
want to be associated with that. That’s bad. I want to be tough. I want to I you
know, I don’t wear feminine colors. Pink is stupid, you know, like all these things, you know, right? But um if we
Yeah, I think we would be healthier. there would be more peace you know um it’s the sacred we have forgotten I
think and all these practices you know I’m so grateful for you because I feel a little bit like lost I’m making this up
my traditions have been cut from me I really find the culture I I really
admire and identify most with is um Indian culture I love kan I love yoga
the bakti devotional path the Hindu deities I I won’t know much about it,
but I look at other cultures in sort of a little bit of envy that like I wish I
had this wisdom, you know? I think intuitively I I listen inside and try to
figure it out, you know, I make up my prayers and my rituals, but wow, to just
restore the sacred and to, you know, let women let women also lead. I just think
gosh there’s so much wisdom and I pray that we can find this again. I don’t
know I wish I had answers but yes creativity is a good start because it’s the universal that
spirit in us we use different language but it’s it’s all the same. So I don’t know I would love to see that world and
I you do catch glimpses of it. We can create small moments. I definitely do. Yeah for sure.
Yeah absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I could go on, but
I know. I was like, I can’t wait. I have so much to learn from you and I need to I’ll I’ll have you on.
Likewise, I’ve so I’ve really enjoyed discovering your work. It’s been like so great. So, your free class is on the
25th of September. People can pre-order your book. I will put how you can um
join that class in the show notes wherever you listen to this podcast. And
you can find Krie on Instagram, right? Yeah. I might What’s your Instagram handle?
It’s Carrie Schmidt. You can, you know, there’s a lot of ways to spell those names. So, do you want me to spell it or
do you just want to Yeah, go for it. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, it’s C A R R I E and Schmidt is S C H M I. T as in Tom. T is in Tom.
So, no D, just two T’s. That is not my Irish part of me. Yeah. And I’ll also put that in I’ll put
that in the show notes as well where you guys can find Carrie and do more of that work. And then anybody who’s in my community who does
end up in the class then maybe we could talk about it in the cauldron’s way in our community campfire. That would be
quite cool to have a chat about it. So the last thing I’m going to say here is a direct quote from your book which is
the point of creative practice isn’t to get better at something but closer to something. And I just think that is such
a a beautiful much needed message in our world. So, you can grab Carrie’s book on
pre-order. Awakening creativity, a sacred journey to reclaim your inner artist. It’s available on Amazon and
other places, I’m sure. Y for people who don’t like to use Amazon because I know everybody doesn’t.
And anyone who wants to order it direct from Publisher can send me an email and I’ll get you that link if you don’t want
to use Amazon. So, yeah. Thank you so much. It’s been a real delight.
Yeah, I’m glad our paths have crossed. Yeah, me too. And maybe we’ll cross
again on your podcast, which is exciting. Please. Yes. Yay. Magic. All right,
Carrie. Thanks so much for coming. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. And I’ll see you all really soon. Bye.
Thank you. Bye-bye.
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